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NYU provost: don鈥檛 let funders and students dictate subject mix

Katherine Fleming tells 色盒直播 event New York University would 鈥榯urn into a gigantic teaching institution for data science鈥 if it responded to outside pressure

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April 8, 2021
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Universities should limit the extent to which they allow demand from students, governments and research funders to dictate their education and research focus, according to an institutional leader.

Katherine Fleming, provost of New York University, said her institution was 鈥渋n a moment where if we did let demand dictate things, we could basically turn into a gigantic teaching institution for data science and computational sciences鈥. Instead, NYU has had to 鈥渉ave difficult conversations about the fact that even though increasingly that鈥檚 what people want, there do have to be limits to the extent to which that鈥檚 going to be the only thing that鈥檚 on聽offer鈥.

Speaking at Times Higher Education鈥檚 MENA Universities Summit, which was held online in partnership with NYU Abu Dhabi, Professor Fleming said this pressure had come from research funders, who increasingly favour applied research, as well as students and parents, who are concerned about employment outcomes.

鈥淚 don鈥檛 think we should necessarily be coercing people into studying things that they don鈥檛 particularly want to study, but we do have to keep articulating why fields of study are really important even if in the current moment they aren鈥檛 as in vogue as they were 100 years ago,鈥 she said.

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Professor Fleming compared the notion of universities following demand and deprioritising arts, humanities and social sciences education and research to 鈥渓anguage extinction鈥.

鈥淲hen we hear about intangible cultural heritage that is waning or being lost, we should all be really concerned about it, because it鈥檚 part of a greater whole, the value of which we benefit from even if we aren鈥檛 aware of the ways in which we鈥檙e benefiting. That鈥檚 very much the way I聽think of fields of study and academic disciplines,鈥 she said.

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However, she acknowledged that, in the case of US higher education, the question of the extent to which institutions 鈥渟hould allow demand to be the sole or even major criterion around which we build our course offerings [and] undertake our hiring鈥 was deeply embedded with the cost of attending university.

鈥淚t鈥檚 really sad that we鈥檝e created a world that is of such inequality that only certain people now can consider studying certain fields 鈥 can consider the pursuit of literature as something they can afford to undertake, for example,鈥 she said.

Professor Fleming also spoke about NYU鈥檚 position as a global university, with campuses and study centres across the world, and highlighted that research culture 鈥渄iffers from place to place鈥. She said people tended to focus on the language and cultural benefits of studying abroad or working overseas, but there were also huge research benefits that were often overlooked.

Professor Fleming, who was previously an academic at the 脡cole Normale Sup茅rieure in Paris, cited the example of mathematical education and research in France being 鈥渧ery distinctive鈥.

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鈥淲e discovered that it could be really valuable to send students from New York City to France to learn to study mathematics and understand mathematical research in a really different way, even if they perhaps they didn鈥檛 have a particular interest in French language or culture,鈥 she said.

ellie.bothwell@timeshighereducation.com

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